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Business, Labor, and Economic Development Interim Committee

MINUTES OF

BUSINESS, LABOR, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTERIM COMMITTEE

Wednesday, June 18, 1997 - 9:00 a.m. - Room 403 State Capitol


Members Present:
    
Sen. L. Steven Poulton, Chair     Rep. Fred R. Hunsaker, Chair
    Sen. David L. Buhler
    Sen. Eddie "Ed" P. Mayne     Sen. Michael G. Waddoups
    Rep. Gerry A. Adair
    Rep. Eli H. Anderson
    Rep. Patrice M. Arent
    Rep. Steven Barth
    Rep. Afton B. Bradshaw

Members Absent:
    Sen. Blaze D. Wharton



    Rep. Katherine M. Bryson
    Rep. Don E. Bush
    Rep. Bradley T. Johnson
    Rep. Brad King
    Rep. Peter C. Knudson         Rep. Glenn L. Way
    Rep. David L. Zolman, Sr.

Staff Present:
    
Mary Catherine Perry,
        Research Analyst    
    Patricia Owen,                 Associate General Counsel     Beverlee LeCheminant,
        Legislative Secretary


Note:    Names of others present and copies of information distributed at the meeting are on file in the Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel.

1.
Call to Order - Chair Hunsaker called the meeting to order at 9:10 a.m.

2.    Committee Business

     MOTION: Rep. Adair moved to approve the minutes of the May 21, 1997 meeting. The motion passed unanimously.

3.    Alcoholic Beverage and User Tax Increase - Ms. Mary Catherine Perry, Research Analyst, distributed an Alcoholic Beverage Taxes Overview from which she presented her remarks. She briefly explained the key points of the overview:

    .     Explanation of taxes
    .     Legislative history
    .     Collection and distribution of taxes
    
    Rep. Arent asked how Utah's alcoholic beverage tax rates compare to the surrounding states. Rep. Stephens responded by saying that Utah is in the middle third on the beer tax with a rate of 35 cents.

    Rep. Stephens stated that the primary issue is whether or not increasing the alcoholic beverage and user tax is a good way to help fund alcohol-related law enforcement prevention and treatment programs, as well as the school lunch program. Rep. Stephens noted that it costs Utah more than $485 million annually for alcohol abuse programs and $104 million was spent last year

for health-related costs for alcohol abuse. She posed the following questions: Is it fair for the taxpayers to bear the cost of this burden or should the users pay for the cost? Is increasing the beverage tax the best way to find funds to meet the need for more money? What will be the impact on sales in the state? Rep. Stephens suggested the following options to raise additional funds for treatment, prevention, and education:

    .     index a percent of the alcoholic beverage profits and earmark those revenues for these programs; or
    .     increase the criminal surcharge on offenders and earmark the surcharge specifically for these programs.

    She suggested three ways to ensure that the money can be earmarked:

    .     set up a new fund specifically for these areas;
    .     do a one-time appropriation with intent language that the money become a part of the base budget; or
    .     increase the amount of the cap and appropriate the full amount to these programs.

    Colonel Richard Greenwood, Superintendent, Utah Highway Patrol, distributed a document which included a proposal to utilize alcoholic beverage revenues to fund alcohol-related law enforcement prevention and treatment programs. He indicated that the following programs and services are needed.

    .     DUI Squad for Davis/Weber Counties
    .     Three hearing offices for Driver License Division
    .     Two alcohol technicians, including specialized training
    .     Enhanced liquor law enforcement
    .     Overtime for officers conducting checkpoints
    .     DUI Enforcement Technology
    .     Controlled Substances Prescription Data Base
    .     Enhanced crime lab services
    .     Special DUI courts and adult and juvenile drug courts
    .     Funding for substance abuse prevention and treatment

    Mr. Patrick Fleming, Director of the Utah County Human Services Program Substance Abuse Treatment and Prevention Services and Representative of the Public Substance Abuse Treatment Programs, distributed two handouts from which he presented his remarks. He indicated that during the last session the Legislature appropriated $2.9 million rather than $4.35 million for the Liquor Control Fund. He believes this needs to be rectified and suggested earmarking some money out of the liquor control profits to help with alcohol treatment programs.

    Mr. Doug McDonald, Chief Economist, Utah State Tax Commission, presented an overview

on beer consumption in the state. He discussed the impact of variables such as: population growth, legislative changes, and price.

    Mr. William E. Christoffersen, President, Utah Beer Wholesalers Association, said that the Association believes that the state is already collecting enough money to more than cover alcohol abuse rehabilitation programs. He indicated that the Association is in favor of doing something about the misuse and abuse of alcohol, but it doesn't feel that the burden should be put completely on the users of the products who are law abiding citizens. He distributed a pamphlet containing facts concerning beer distribution in Utah.

    Mr. Brian Harris, Northwestern Regional Director for the Distilled Spirits Council of the U.S., said the Council is opposed to any additional increase in liquor taxes. He distributed a chart showing federal, state, and local liquor taxes and stated that 60 percent of the cost of the retail price of a bottle of spirits goes to taxes. He suggested that funding for rehabilitation programs should come out of existing revenue.

    Mr. Jim Olsen, President, Utah Industry Association and representing the Retail Merchants Association, stated that the more the liquor taxes are increased, making the state disproportionate with the surrounding states, the more bootlegging is going to take place. When the liquor taxes were increased before, that money was to be earmarked and used for rehabilitation programs. That money needs to be funneled to those programs.

    Rep. Stephens stated that an alcoholic beverage revenue study group has been formed to work on this issue. Three options the committee can explore to raise additional revenue are:

    .     to increase taxes on beer and/or wine and liquor and to earmark these new revenues for the programs that have been identified;
    .     to make better utilization of the $4.35 million; and
    .     to designate the alcoholic beverage tax net profits specifically for identified purposes.

    The study group would like the committee to discuss these options and then it would like to come before the committee again in October or November with a specific plan.

4.     Use of Impact Fees - Sen. Poulton told the committee there are two issues regarding impact fees:
    .     the need to make sure that the money for impact fees is not used for general purposes, but for specific purposes that benefit specific individuals and groups of people; and
    .     how to control the impact fees.

    Ms. Patricia Owen, Associate General Counsel, distributed an Impact Fees Packet and gave an overview of the history of impact fees, the Impact Fees Act itself, its principles, and examples of impact fees.

    Sen. Mansell stated that the purpose of SB 4 was to hold impact fees relatively stable so they wouldn't continue to increase. The bill had a lot of opposition from the cities and the bill passed by the Legislature was vetoed by the governor. The Legislature renegotiated the bill again and each time it was renegotiated, it opened up the parameters where impact fees could be charged and the formula under which the fees could be charged. The formula is wide enough now that instead of controlling impact fees it has given municipalities license to open them wider and for higher numbers. He suggested that the committee look at taking the national average of impact fees across the nation, or the seven western states, to come up with an average amount that is being charged.

    Mr. Ron Thorne, Homebuilder and President of the Homebuilders Association of Utah, discussed the hidden impact fees that are included in the costs that cities are charging and are not regulated in any way by anyone in the state. As a builder, he sees these hidden costs being pressed onto our children and our children's children and costs of housing will continue to rise.

    Mr. Tasman Biesinger, Utah Home Builders Association, said that because of the state's growth, more houses must be built and as more houses are built, more infrastructure is needed. The question is: How are we going to pay for that infrastructure? Mr. Biesinger explained the following. The trend today is to require new residents to pay up front for the entire cost of the infrastructure under the guise of impact fees. In Utah, the average household income is about $43,000 and the average cost of a house today is about $145,000. The housing market is slowing down because homes cannot be built in the range that the average Utah household can afford to buy.

    Mr. Blaine Walker, Utah Association of Realtors, said that when S.B. 4 was written, it was with the understanding that impact fees were fees that could be charged to help cities take care of their rapid growth. There are abuses of impact fees and the bill needs to be revisited to strengthen its position and make it more simplified.

    Mr. Brent Gardner, Utah Association of Counties, said that county government is very limited in what they have used impact fees for and there are only four counties that have impact fees. There is a real pressure with growth for local government to find ways to finance it, but the county level has been very conservative in its use of impact fees and will continue to be.

    Mr. Ken Bullock, Executive Director, Utah League of Cities and Towns, stated that the League believes that it is too soon to know how the enabling legislation for impact fees is working; but that it is happy to work with the committee on any review. Mr. Bullock further explained that consultants who are experts in this field go through the process of helping the communities develop their capital facility plans and the fees they are charging.

    Mayor Dan McArthur, St. George, said the growth in St. George has gone from eight percent to 20 percent and the need for sewer improvements and water has increased dramatically. As people have moved into their communities, the city has felt that the growth needs to help pay for itself. The city has spent considerable time on impact fees and have set their fees at about 75 percent of what the recommendation was in most areas. He believes impact fees are a critical source of revenue for communities.

    Mayor Jerry Stephenson, Layton, said he has seen what impact fees can do with development. Layton has had impact fees in the community for many years and some great projects have been done with impact dollars. The city feels their fees are reasonable and are needed in order to cause more product to come on the market.

    Mr. Stewart Adams, Layton City Councilman and member of the Board of Directors of Northern Wasatch Homebuilders, said his experience with impact fees has been mixed. Impact fees can have a leveling effect for extra large improvements if they are administered properly, but the implementation of impact fees is very difficult and can have a negative impact.

    Mr. Chris Childs, a homebuilder in Utah Valley and also past president of the State Homebuilders Association, said that fairness is the issue here. He encouraged the committee to look at where the abuse is really happening. There needs to be some sort of a check and balance system with regard to impact fees so that the people doing these studies are more accountable to the end home buyer who is the one paying the impact fee.

    Mr. Steve Erickson, Director, Utah Housing Technical Assistance Program, suggested that there needs to be some additional offsets for those who are trying to develop housing and paying fees to the cities.

    Mr. Elliott Lawrence, West Valley City, said that impact fees are not intended to make new development pay for new things, but are intended to help the cities provide the same level of service to all of its residents.

    Rep. Adair stated that he is a real estate broker and declared a conflict of interest.

    Rep. Way said that he is in the homebuilding industry and declared a conflict of interest.

    Rep. Harper said he works for a municipality and feels that the vast majority of communities have followed the intent of SB 4 and have done what they felt was required by this law. The question the committee needs to consider is who should pay for the services that are being generated by the new growth.

    Sen. Poulton said he doesn't agree that new growth should fund itself, but the committee will have an opportunity to discuss this issue further at a future meeting.

     MOTION: Sen. Buhler moved that the committee request the Legislative Audit Committee to direct the Legislative Auditor to do a compliance audit of local governments to see to what degree they are following SB 4 so the committee can have some basis to go on as to how well the law is currently being followed. The motion passed unanimously. Sen. Mayne and Reps. Barth and Johnson were absent for the vote.

     MOTION: Rep. Adair moved to adjourn at 12:13 p.m. The motion passed unanimously. Sen. Mayne and Reps. Barth and Johnson were absent for the vote.


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