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Revenue and Taxation Interim Committee

MINUTES OF THE

REVENUE AND TAXATION INTERIM COMMITTEE

Wednesday, July 9, 1997 -- 2:30 p.m. -- Room 303 State Capitol


Members Present:    
    Sen. Howard C. Nielson, Senate Chair
    Rep. Raymond W. Short, House Chair
    Sen. Leonard M. Blackham
    Sen. Mike Dmitrich
    Sen. E. George Mantes     Sen. L. Steven Poulton
    Sen. Howard A. Stephenson
    Rep. Judy A. Buffmire
    Rep. Greg J. Curtis
    Rep. Wayne A. Harper
    Rep. David M. Jones
    Rep. A. Lamont Tyler
    Rep. John L. Valentine
    



    Members Absent:
        Rep. Kevin S. Garn
        Rep. Patricia B. Larson
        
Rep. Richard L. Walsh

    Members Excused:
        Rep. Jack A. Seitz
              Staff Present:         Mr. Bryant R. Howe,
         Research Analyst
        Mr. O. William Asplund,
         Research Analyst
        Ms. Rebecca L. Rockwell,
         Associate General Counsel
        Ms. Karen E. Mecham,
         Secretary




    
Note:    A list of others present and a copy of materials distributed in the meeting are on file in the Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel.

1.     Committee Business -- Chair Nielson called the meeting to order at 2:35 p.m.

     MOTION: Rep Curtis moved to approve the minutes of the June 18, 1997 meeting. The motion passed unanimously. Sens. Mantes and Poulton and Rep. Harper were absent for the vote.

2.    Consideration of Proposals Regarding Intangibles -- Mr. Howe reviewed the process by which a taxing entity defines its property tax base, distributed a handout titled "Property Tax Revenues," and a booklet from the State Tax Commission (tax commission) titled "Centrally Assessed Tax Appeals." He noted that the discussion would attempt to define what constitutes the base against which the property tax rate is levied that generates revenue.

    Mr. Howe explained that after the enactment of H.B. 129 during the 1997 Annual General Session, the property tax base changed beginning January 1, 1997. He said that property tax revenues are calculated based on the locally assessed valuation and the portion of centrally assessed valuation not in dispute. The difference is that the property tax revenues that come from the amount of the centrally assessed valuation in dispute are placed in escrow and not spent by taxing entities. Before January 1, 1997,property tax revenues derived from the portion of

centrally assessed valuation in dispute were included as revenues by a taxing entity and incorporated into the taxing entity's budget. He said that when the base shrinks as a result of H.B. 129, the property tax rate will have to rise to make up for lost revenue.

    Rep. Short, sponsor of H.B. 129, explained that the bill was drafted to reduce the high number of appeals coming before the tax commission annually. He added that "intangibles" were considered a part of the reason for the high number of appeals. He said that those studying the issue felt that the high number of appeals resulted in revenue refunds that hurt local taxing entities because they could not count on collected revenues to remain in the coffers.

    Rep. Short said that about $2 billion in centrally assessed property valuation is in dispute this year. He explained that those counties with large amounts in escrow would have to raise their tax rate on all properties, such as homeowners, to make up for revenues placed in escrow. He said that the committee was meeting to decide whether to alleviate the tax shift caused as a result of this escrow requirement. Sen. Blackham noted that the business community in Utah has very low taxes compared to adjoining states. He felt that the short-term issue is to determine whether to modify or defer the escrow provisions for a time or to eliminate them.

    Chair Nielson said there were four suggested solutions presented in last month's special session: 1) change the constitutional definition of "intangibles"; 2) delay implementation of H.B. 129 for one to two years; 3) change the escrow provisions; or 4) do nothing. Rep. Tyler said that for most counties centrally assessed properties are less than 1 percent of the tax base. He recommended addressing solutions to only the counties with a tax shift problem.

    Rep. Buffmire said she felt that there needs to be a better definition for "intangibles." Ms. Rockwell said that the Legislature has leeway in defining "intangibles" but that if "intangibles" are taxed under the property tax, the constitution provides that the Legislature cannot tax income derived from "intangibles" and there is a 5-mill property tax limitation in the constitution.

    Sen. Dmitrich noted the property tax shift will occur even if "intangibles" are not redefined. Commissioner W. Val Oveson, tax commission, said that H.B. 129 caused the shift because the escrowed revenue has to be made up in the taxing entities' budgets.

    Sen. Blackham said that H.B. 129 exempts from the judgment levy from truth in taxation. Sen. Stephenson said there is a difference between the escrow requirement and the judgment levy. He expressed concern that provisions in the law allowing taxing entities to capture "new growth" has permitted taxing entities to use increased property tax revenues without complying with the truth in taxation process.

    Rep. Valentine said that maybe requiring taxing entities to escrow 100 percent of disputed property taxes is excessive. He referred to Tab 2 in the tax commission booklet to say that many

taxpayers are stating that more than 75 percent of their excessive valuations are in dispute. He felt that abuses are causing other taxpayers to cover the taxes of those under appeal. He suggested that perhaps the historical 25 percent appeal settlement should be the amount escrowed. Sen. Blackham suggested postponing implementation of the escrow provisions for two years retrospectively to January 1, 1997 to permit time to find a solution.

    Mr. David Bird, Parsons, Behle & Latimer, said that under the current law, all taxpayers pay their full assessed value while they appeal. He also commented that all tax payers appealing their valuations will pay to replace the revenues required to be escrowed. Sen. Mantes noted that small business taxpayers could pay a 15-percent increase due to the tax shift if nothing is done.

    Sen. Stephenson said that taxpayers are having to protest values they have appealed and won before and that should not be repeated. Commissioner Oveson said that he expected that in the future "intangibles" will be accounted for and removed from valuations. He noted that the tax commission has come to the Legislature for clarification on the definition of "intangibles."

    Sen. Dmitrich suggested putting back the 20-percent exemption for intangibles. Rep. Valentine said that this solution has been proposed by the counties but that this should be further debated at a later date. Rep. Short reminded the committee that he would like to make a change to H.B. 129 in a special session before tackling the larger constitutional issues in the next general session.

    Chair Nielson opened the discussion to public comment.

    Mr. Kent Peterson, Emery County Commissioner, said that the shift to locally assessed taxpayers needs to be resolved. Mr. James Fauver, Emery County Assessor, distributed a handout titled "Solution to the Intangible Shift" and recommended narrowing the definition of intangibles. Mr. Brent Gardner, Utah Association of Counties, distributed a handout outlining several issues. He noted that there is a continual problem with refunds that must be repaid by the counties as a result of the appeals. He said that H.B. 129 should remain in place because it is a good solution to the appeal refund process. He added that the shift would occur regardless of whether the bill's implementation is delayed.

    Mr. Doug Foxley, Union Pacific Railroad, said he was involved in the compromise that resulted in H.B. 129. He said he felt the legislation is sound and should be allowed to go forth. Mr. Mark Buchi, Holme, Roberts & Owen and representing US West, said that the escrow process of H.B. 129 is not connected to "intangibles." He also noted that the shift is caused by overvaluation because of "intangibles" and that the shift is not necessarily wrong. He suggested that the total tax rate process should be reviewed.

    Ms. Alis Ritz, Washington County Treasurer, distributed a handout showing the amounts of refunds counties have had to pay in the past five years. Ms. LeAnn Joseph, Beaver County, explained that her county owes a major taxpayer $71,000 with only $44,000 in revenues. Ms. Eileen Jensen, Duchesne County, said her budget covers only debt repayment and cannot afford to pay back appeal settlements without the escrow process.

    Mr. David Dentton, representing Sprint, noted there are two parts to H.B. 129. He felt that the procedural part of the bill should be retained. He also asked that the focus be kept on the counties that need to be worried about. Mr. Steve Young, Holme, Roberts, and Owen representing US West, noted that the trial de novo provisions of H.B. 129 should not be repealed. He added H.B. 129 also contains fail safe provisions to protect small counties.

    Mr. Greg Fredde, Utah Taxpayers Association, distributed a handout titled "Estimated Impact of 1997 Centrally Assessed Appeals." He felt the escrow process should be effective but the rates need to be lowered when the escrow moneys are released.

    Mr. Fauver recommended implementing H.B. 129. He noted that the judgment levy that was used to pay appeal settlements prior to H.B. 129 is not acceptable to the homeowner taxpayer. He added that large centrally assessed businesses are not paying their share of taxes.

    Chair Nielson closed the public comment and returned to committee discussion.

    Sen. Blackham explained that the Legislature did not desire to cause a tax shift when it passed H.B. 129. He felt time was needed to resolve the problems before implementing the escrowing provisions.

     MOTION: Rep. Valentine moved to recommend to the Legislature to delay the effective date of the escrow provisions of H.B. 129 for one year.

    Speaking to the motion, Rep. Valentine said that the Wiltel decision's impact on the taxation of intangible property should encourage caution in making any changes without careful study. Sen. Dmitrich said he did not feel delaying will assist the shift. He felt that the issues should be raised in the next general session.

     SUBSTITUTE MOTION: Sen. Stephenson moved that the escrow provision in H.B. 129 be amended to provide that only 25 percent of property tax revenues from disputed centrally assessed values be placed in escrow.

    Sen. Mantes said that neither proposal is a long-term solution. He recommended reviewing the tax system. He supported Rep. Valentine's motion.

    Returning to the substitute motion, Chair Nielson called for the vote. The motion failed with Sens. Poulton and Stephenson and Reps. Curtis and Harper voting in favor and Sens. Nielson, Blackham, Dmitrich, and Mantes and Reps. Buffmire, Short, Tyler, and Valentine voting against. Rep. Jones was absent for the vote.

    Returning to the original motion, Chair Nielson called for the vote. The motion passed with Sens. Nielson, Blackham, Mantes, and Poulton and Reps. Curtis, Short, and Valentine voting for and Sens. Dmitrich and Stephenson and Reps. Buffmire, Harper, and Tyler voting against. Rep. Jones was absent for the vote.

    Rep. Valentine requested that a bill be prepared to mail out to the Legislature for review before the special session.

3.    Other Business -- No other business was discussed.

4.    Adjournment --

     MOTION: Rep. Buffmire moved to adjourn the meeting at 4:55 p.m. The motion passed unanimously. Rep. Jones was absent for the vote.


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