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Public Utilities and Technology Interim Committee

MINUTES OF THE

    
PUBLIC UTILITIES AND TECHNOLOGY INTERIM COMMITTEE

August 20, 1997 - 9:00 p.m. - Room 223 State Capitol


Members Present:
    Sen. Lorin v. Jones, Co-Chair
    Rep. Beverly Ann Evans, Co-Chair
    Sen. Mike Dmitrich
    Sen. John P. Holmgren
    Sen. Alarik Myrin
    Rep. Jeff Alexander
    Rep. Ralph Becker
    Rep. Orville D. Carnahan
    Rep. Gary F. Cox
    Rep. Brent H. Goodfellow
    Rep. Byron L. Harward
    Rep. Tom Hatch
    Rep. J. Brent Haymond
    Rep. Dennis H. Iverson
    Rep. David M. Jones
    Rep. Jack Seitz
    Rep. Daniel H. Tuttle


Members Absent:
    Sen. Craig A. Peterson
    Rep. Christine R. Fox

Staff Present:
    Mr. Richard North,
     Research Analyst
    Ms. Tani Pack Downing,
     Associate General Counsel
    Ms. Wendy Bangerter,
     Committee Secretary


Note:    A list of others present and a copy of materials distributed in the meeting are on file in the Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel.

1.    Call to Order - Sen. Jones called the meeting to order at 9:10 p.m. He noted because of unusual circumstances, he would move item four to the head of the agenda.

MOTION:    Rep. Iverson made a motion to approve the minutes of the July 16, 1997 meeting. The motion passed by unanimous vote.
    
4.     Orientation - Electric Power Deregulation Issues

    
Sen. Blackham, Chair - Electrical Deregulation and Customer Choice Task Force (EDT), reported on the status of the EDT. He reported they have been gathering information and he reviewed the four sectors in the electrical market: generators, transmitters, distributors, and marketers, and how they work in regulated and deregulated markets. He also reviewed stranded costs and noted the Public Utilities and Technology Interim Committee (PUT) would need to make a policy decision in the future concerning this issue. No decision has been made concerning stranded costs by the EDT. A significant issue they are considering is, "Can a market be created for competition?" He reviewed EDT's study of rural and municipalities' needs under

deregulation. The committee is also continuing to gather more information and plan to proceed cautiously. He explained a memorandum he distributed, "General Principles for Legislative Action." He emphasized the EDT wants to make sure there is a free market if the state becomes deregulated, and that all customers are beneficiaries.

    Rep. Evans explained the revised schedule for the legislative site visit planned for September 17-18, 1997 . She made registration forms available for anyone interested in attending.

2.     Telecommunication Deregulation: competitive Market Issues

    Ted Smith, US West, said some competitors are claiming US West is impeding competition, and went on record as saying that is not true. US West is dealing with a very complicated federal statute as Utah moves toward a competitive market, he said. He noted disagreements will occur, but there is a vast difference between a disagreement and impeding competition. US West is moving ahead with the process of deregulation. Mr. Smith also reviewed three ways competitors interconnect or are allowed to use US West's network:

    1.     Facilities based - a competitor that builds their own network;
    2.    Resale - a competitor purchases facilities or service from U S West and then resells it;
    3.     Unbundled network elements - a competitor will buy parts of a network to combine with their own facilities for providing services.

        He noted most competitive companies would be using a combination of all three ways to interconnect. The 1995 Utah Telecommunication Act established competition as a policy and, requires U S West to resell services and to provide unbundled network elements. In 1996, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) imposed criteria that was not required in the state statute. He reviewed the issues and decisions being studied by the Public Service Commission (PSC). He also reviewed how Utah compares to other states, and noted that Utah is progressive. He emphasized that competition is present and developing in the state. In fact, seventeen companies have now been certificated and some are providing service. Key issues Mr. Smith raised included:

.     US West is in the middle of a rate proceeding. They are taking a strong position regarding fundamental changes that will have to be made to their rate structure;
.     US West intends to fully comply with the intent of Utah's Legislature as well as the federal act;
.     US West intends to be a vigorous competitors;
.     US West contends that if competitors are going to utilize the network that was funded by US West's shareholders, the competitors should not pay more than is reasonable, but they also should not pay less than what is reasonable;
.     US West intends to seek redress in the instance of inequities; and
.     US West will keep the Legislature informed as they continue to play a key role in the industry.

    Greg Killpack, President, Rocky Mountain Telecommunications, stated his comments will be from a rural perspective. He acknowledged they have a rural monopoly, but wanted to clear up a misconception that rural phone companies are slow to change. He reviewed the impacts that competition will likely have on rural incumbent local exchange carriers (ILEC) and on urban areas. He agreed that competition currently exists; and that ILEC's will have to begin marketing, something they have not done much of in the past. He reviewed digital switching and other technologies that are available in some rural areas. ILEC's will continue to fight for the protections that are part of the federal act. He surmised that competition will not be clamoring to the rural areas of Utah when there are more lucrative customers in the urban areas. He also noted they would fight to make sure their companies are not placed in a competitive disadvantage for the sake of artificially inducing competition into rural areas, and to make sure they can recover the millions of dollars invested in the infrastructure. He indicated that there are many other issues that rural ILEC'S believe will have to be considered and addressed at the implementation of this change. He also encouraged the committee to not forget, as the changes proceed there are differences between Salt Lake City and rural Utah.

    Lyle Williamsen, MCI, his company was one of the first to address the possibility of competition in long distance service. He said it has been claimed that MCI was not interested in rural market. However, he noted they will be focusing on all markets. He also addressed universal service, which he said, cannot be separated from competitive service. He distributed a handout titled "Fair Play" displaying MCI's play for local service. He said MCI will be contracting local services and partnering with other companies to provide services.

    Jerry Oldroyd, Suitter Axland & Hanson, representing Electric Lightwave, Inc. (ELI) explained he also is involved with a group of companies, who will compete with US West. He indicated there are no residential customers who have a choice, that US West maintains a monopoly, and he does not agree with Mr. Smith's opinion that true competition now exists. It is difficult for companies to get successful interconnection with US West, he explained. He also reviewed ELI's experience in facilities-based competition in Utah. He encouraged the Legislature to make a decision either way, so that the various companies can make some decisions as to their future direction. It was his opinion that the PSC will have to take a very active position.

    Claire Geddes, United We Stand, noted that competition currently means having no choice and experiencing high prices. She emphasized this is a national issue and deregulation means experiencing an unregulated monopoly. She requested the Legislature stop and reevaluate the

existing process. The current rate case is to consider an increase in service charges, but no new services are being offered.
    
    Steve Mecham, Chairman of the PSC, responded to earlier comments and noted it would probably not be a smooth transition. Where margins are higher, competition will exist, he said. He noted cost studies for a competitive market are not reliable and will not even be available for months. He also explained most states gave up trying to figure out costs, so proxy rates were adopted. He indicated that Utah has conducted cost-modeling and projects there, therefore, feels there will be duplication.

    Mr. Smith responded to comments regarding a "capacity problem," and indicated there is no capacity problem in the backbone. Athough, they occasionally see network blocking problems, they are working hard to deal with those issues.


3.    Federal Communication Commission Rulings; State Options _ Access and Universal Service Funds (USF)

    
Ted Smith, reviewed the Universal Service and Access Reform Orders in the Federal Communications Act, and demonstrated why it is more costly to provide services to rural areas. He noted the issue is; "subsidies have long maintained affordability throughout Utah," but, the future danger is in losing that revenue because of the FCC. He then reviewed the funding of universal service in Utah and noted it is in the best interests of all to establish a national Universal Service Fund.

    Jim Woody, Exchange Carriers of Utah, Union Telephone, reviewed the legislative intent of Congress for the 1996 Telecommunication Act. He indicated the order from the FCC did not reflect the intentions of Congress. He also noted that Utah's funding has come from the federal funds in the past but is now being reduced. He reviewed the subscriber line charge which is part of the access charge reform, and how much that will cost both businesses residents. He noted the rural problems have not been eliminated by the federal act and, they have many problems to face in the future.

MOTION:     Rep. Haymond made a motion to send a letter from this committee to the Joint Board of the FCC lending support for the National Universal Service Fund rather than the 75-25 universal split that is being considered. The motion passed by unanimous vote with Sen. Myrin and Representatives Goodfellow, Harward, D. Jones, and Tuttle absent for the vote.
    
        Steve Mecham noted the PSC is in the process of reviewing the State Universal Service Fund. He spoke in favor of the letter going to the FCC.

MOTION:    Rep. Cox made a motion to request legislative leadership to also send a letter to the FCC indicating support for the Universal Service Fund. The motion passed by unanimous vote with Senators Holmgren and Myrin and Representatives Goodfellow, Harward, D. Jones, and Tuttle absent for the vote.

    Lyle Williamsen, MCI, commented there will be a shifting of large amounts of money and he posed the question: Where is the funding going to come from to support the universal service fund?

    Mr. Mecham commented that markets don't provide for a universal service fund, that they go where the density and money exists.

     Statewide Partnership For Telecommunication Services Update    

    Sen. Jones explained this issue has been postponed until the next meeting.

    Rep. Harward commented competition does not work in every geographical area of Utah. Where competition exists, it should be free market and unregulated; where it does not, it should be regulated, or otherwise it is a monopoly.

    Rep. Evans asked for a status report on the Statewide partnership For Telecommunication Services Request for Proposal (RFP) from Gordon Peterson.

    Gordon Peterson responded negotiations are proceeding, but there is not a particular time frame. They hope to have a resolution by the October interim meeting.

    Rep. Evans expressed the following concerns regarding the RFP:

.     There are a number of volatile issues;
.     Duplication is not bad, but business decisions have been made based on existing criteria and now it is being changed on them. No one should be put at a disadvantage;
.     She is not comfortable when US West says there is enough capacity backbone, but an RFP has been let;
.     A ten-year commitment is a long time; and
.     The PUT needs to have good dialogue, oversight, and more public input.

    Gordon Peterson responded this second RFP was issued with the idea of reducing costs, but they are still in the process of negotiation. He noted ten years may be too long.

    Adjournment -


MOTION:    Rep. Seitz moved to adjourn the meeting. The motion passed by unanimous vote.

    The meeting adjourned at 11:55 a.m.




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