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Natural Resources, Agriculture, and Environment Interim Committee

MINUTES OF THE

NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE AND ENVIRONMENT

INTERIM COMMITTEE

Wednesday, April 22, 1998 - 9:00 a.m. - Room 303 State Capitol



Members Present:
    Sen. Alarik Myrin, Cochair
    Rep. Bradley T. Johnson, Cochair
    Sen. Joseph L. Hull
    Rep. Eli H. Anderson
    Rep. Craig W. Buttars
    Rep. Mary Carlson
    Rep. Beverly A. Evans
    Rep. James R. Gowans
    Rep. Tom Hatch
    Rep. Dennis H. Iverson
    Rep. Evan L. Olsen
    Rep. Michael R. Styler
    Rep. Jordan Tanner
    Rep. Bill Wright


Members Absent:
    Sen. R. Mont Evans

Members Excused:
    Sen. Craig A. Peterson
    Rep. Melvin R. Brown

Staff Present:
    Ms. Constance C. Steffen,
        Research Analyst
    Ms. Jeanenne B. Larson,
        Associate General Counsel
    Ms. Joy L. Miller,
        Secretary


     Note:    A list of others present and a copy of materials distributed in the meeting are on file in the Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel.


1.    Committee Business - Chairman Myrin called the meeting to order at 9:10 a.m.

     MOTION: Rep. Iverson moved to approve the minutes of November 19, 1997. The motion passed unanimously. Reps. Anderson, Evans, Olsen, Tuttle, and Wright were absent during the vote.

    Ms. Steffen briefly reviewed the committee's interim schedule. She distributed a list of studies or assignments from S.B. 1, "Appropriations Act," and also a list of agencies and programs scheduled for sunset in 1998 and 1999.

    Chairman Myrin stated the committee has been asked to submit five priority study items to the Legislative Management Committee.

    Rep. Olsen requested that the issue of water quality and its effect on agriculture be added as a study item.

2.    Sensitive Species - Mr. John Kimball, Division of Wildlife Resources, distributed information on threatened and endangered species in Utah and Utah's Sensitive Species List. He

explained that the sensitive species list is developed by gaining a field perspective through meetings with biologists and through the Natural Heritage Program which assesses peer reviewed literature and grey literature, such as federal aid documents, field notes, and reports.

    Mr. Bill James, Division of Wildlife Resources, Habitat Section, indicated their role is to acquire the necessary information to interact with various regulatory agencies that deal with threatened or endangered species. He cited the example of the spotted frog. The division has been able to make a conservation agreement with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and other agencies to take certain management actions to preclude the need for federal listing. He noted that the state sensitive species list is quite distinct in that there is no regulatory authority associated with the state list. By design it is an information item which indicates what may become a problem in the future.

    Some members of the committee expressed concern that the listing process is not fair and does not provide for adequate public comment. A concern raised was whether the process represented a good scientific format for determining species listings.
    
    Mr. Jerry Sintz, Bureau of Land Management (BLM), stated the Utah BLM has developed a sensitive species list for both plants and animals. They designate those species as special status species. He said the BLM complies with the Endangered Species Act (ESA) as it applies to listed species and those proposed for listing. The BLM does not manage special status species as though they were listed as either threatened or endangered. Management of non-listed species is much more flexible than it is for listed species. Mr. Sintz pointed out that the BLM is a strong supporter of conservation agreements, which are designed to protect rare species but are more flexible and can be more quickly developed and implemented than recovery plans for listed species. The agreements are a way to develop state, federal, and local partnerships regarding management of rare species.

    Ms. Theresa Prendusi, U.S. Forest Service, gave a slide presentation on the Forest Service's authority and direction on sensitive species. She distributed copies of the information presented. Sensitive species receive emphasis to ensure viability and to preclude trends toward federal listing under the ESA.

    Ms. Janet Mizzi, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, indicated their mandate is not simply to protect the individual species but to protect the ecosystems upon which species depend. Ms. Mizzi stated there are several laws that require protection and consideration of sensitive species. The most important of those is the ESA. The service recently developed a conservation agreement policy to deal with species that do not warrant listing under the ESA but are still rare, sensitive, or declining. They currently have nine conservation agreements with the state of Utah.

She stated the listing of threatened and endangered species involves a very lengthy public process. Candidate species are reviewed yearly, but there is no public process for the candidate species list. The service does not regulate sensitive species other than threatened, endangered, and candidate species. She stated it is important that a sensitive species list be maintained at either the national or state level because it gives an early warning sign of what to be aware of when developing any kind of land management plan.

    Mr. Randy Allen, River Gas Corporation, stated they are a small independent natural gas producer with wells in Carbon and Emery Counties. Wildlife concerns have had a tremendous impact on their ability to develop their leases. The main wildlife concern in the immediate future involves their desire to drill within the vicinity of golden eagle and red tail hawk nests. There is no conclusive scientific proof that their proposed operation will harm either species. He suggested an oversight board be appointed to develop specific goals for species listings. Steps should be taken to ensure that the process is guided by science and driven by an effort to balance the impacts to both wildlife and humans. Clear, specific, and focused guidance by the Legislature could prevent many problems. He added that prudent development can coexist with wildlife.

    Mr. John Dyer, Inland Resources Inc., distributed information on how the state's sensitive species list has affected their operation. Mr. Dyer stated because of the state's list and the BLM's desire to treat it as threatened and endangered, it has cost and will continue to cost Inland Resources a great deal of money for additional employees to ensure compliance and to perform studies of sensitive species, such as the ferruginous hawk. He pointed out that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service determined not to list the ferruginous hawk as a candidate species.

    Mr. Jon Holst, Inland Resources Inc., indicated that the definition of sensitive species adopted by the state has regulatory and management implications beyond those identified in the state's sensitive species list. He asserted that objective scientific criteria should be incorporated into the definition of sensitive species. Mr. Holst distributed a copy of the Federal Register notice concerning ferruginous hawks which indicates that it did not warrant listing. He also distributed information from the National Biological Service on the hawks. Data shows that at a minimum populations of the hawk are stable.

     MOTION: Rep. Tuttle moved to adjourn the meeting at 12:05 p.m. The motion passed unanimously.



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